[mellow R&B music] - Welcome to Fatherhood, where we aim to uplift voices redefine legacy, and dive deep into stories, strength, and everyday impact of black fatherhood.

Today we are speaking with a few healthcare professionals who are passionate about empowering fathers to be proactive, informed, and intentional when it comes to breaking cycles and building healthier legacies.

Here to help me break down this topic is a pharmacist with a passion for education and empowerment, Dr. Tony Robinson.

- What's going on?

Glad to be here.

- What's going on?

The founder of R.E.D.

Chiro, who is devoted to helping families reconnect with their health through chiropractic care, Dr. Fred Peete.

- Hey, appreciate it.

- And a nutritional advocate who's all about making wellness practical, accessible, and real for our communities, Ryan Zuber.

- What's going on, brother?

- What's good.

I really want to acknowledge the fact that we have successful black men in healthcare.

We don't see that a lot, so I really wanna take the time just to acknowledge y'all, say I'm proud of y'all, to have successful black men in healthcare.

But I kind of really want to talk about just how you even got into your profession, like the understanding of health.

What brought you into the interest of being in your profession?

So, like I said, we can start with Tony.

And tell me more about that.

- Well, of course I'm a pharmacist by day, by trade.

What got me to becoming a pharmacist?

Well, growing up in the neighborhood I grew up in, Frayser, Memphis, Tennessee, 38127 zip code.

You already know what's going on.

You know, you see- - North Memphis.

- North Memphis.

You already know.

North, north.

But, you know, growing up, you have decisions to make, whether you're going to, you know, choose different routes, whether it's the streets or sports or education.

Well, fortunately I had a good head, you know, on my shoulders, so schooling, did well.

So I started working at a company called Walgreens while I was in high school, and from there, I learned about pharmacists and what they did, so from there, I got that interest, went to University of Memphis, I got my biology degree, then the University of Tennessee Health Science Center, where I got my PharmD degree, and actually started working for Walgreens.

Then from Walgreens, I left there and ended up in the hospital working in mental health and became a director of pharmacy there.

- Wow, congratulations.

That's huge.

Is anybody else in your family a pharmacist?

- No, no, no.

- Wow.

- His brother's a nurse.

- Exactly.

I do have a brother.

I have a brother, an older brother who's actually, he's a nurse as well as the EMS Chief for Memphis Fire.

- EMS Battalion Chief.

- Battalion chief.

You know, you know more about the fire department.

- Actually the first African-American EMS battalion chief.

- Wow.

Okay, okay.

- And he also has another brother, just got promoted- - Well, keep going, then.

Keep going.

- To driver, - He's the driver.

- That's a paramedic fireman.

- Keep going.

- And he also has another brother.

- That works in mental health.

- Yes, and he also does the Vegan Fest.

- Okay.

All right.

- I grew up with him, so he know a lot.

I try to be a little modest and keep everything- - I know this.

That's what I'm saying it.

[panelists laughing] - So, Ryan, tell me about your story.

How did you even become a nutritionist?

- Honestly, man, getting into nutrition was actually what the forefront of actually now what I do is helping other people.

It was getting into a position where I had to help someone else.

I actually donated a kidney to my then wife at the time who had a nephrotic kidney disease, and that opened my eyes into understanding home healthcare, actually doing in-home dialysis for her, and wanted to understand what all she needs and being the person to actually do it.

Actually, I didn't want a lot of people in my house.

So I had the opportunity, I was finishing up an associate's degree at the time at Southwest, and that was an opportunity for me to go back to get my EMT and paramedic.

And they were saying, these will start you with the tools to actually help do things in the house for her at the time.

So I actually did that, and at the same time, simultaneously the Methodist University Transplant Clinic was allowing me to come up there and do clinical hours and learn things and help out, and so was her nephrologist.

And the other opportunity came up for me actually to be a fireman, 'cause I needed a job and an opportunity to be home more, 'cause we work 24 hours.

So you work a three-day set, and you're off, and then you get a four-day stretch.

And this also was more consistent roles in understanding emergent care in case something happened at home.

So I had an opportunity to do that, and my career was really different.

I was one of the first rookies to ever go to special operations directly from the academy, and I was in special operations, and that jumped me into being a FEMA task force member for US&R.

So we are the team that gets deployed with natural disasters on the direct record of the president.

And now I'm the first to have actually all those and be in air rescue.

I'm an air rescue fireman as well now in special ops.

So, and about five years ago, actually helping my wife in her situation, my then wife at the time, nutrition was the focus, and I started taking classes and courses at Southwest with those relationships, and got certifications there, and things there to put me in place to now actually have corporate contracts with several organizations and companies, as far as St. Jude all the way down to Cigna, MLGW, Shelby County Schools, MATA, Helena, city government.

I'm the nutritional either liaison or I curate programs directly for them, and have my own office where we do nutritional guidance and actually own a meal prep company.

I own a smoothie bar and a supplement company.

- So you're busy.

[chuckles] - Very.

I'm actually graduating from the first part of nursing school in May.

- Wow.

Congratulations on that.

- Yes, sir.

Yes, sir.

- So this all started with your then wife, just helping her out?

- Donating a kidney.

- Selfless brother.

- I was the inventory control manager at Nike.

I had no idea that I was going to be in healthcare at all, but, you know, I think my-- - See how God work, right?

- Yes, indeed.

My thing is always to be selfless in any aspect of where I can help people as how I can.

Now everything I do encompasses helping people, you know, from a home healthcare standpoint, emergent care, to public and community health now, and consumer health advocacy now.

- And nutritionist.

- And nutrition.

- You're helping us.

You're helping us by being here.

- So of course we know about taking medicine, we know about, you know, eating well, but not too many people know about even chiropractic.

So tell us more about how you got interested in being a chiropractor.

- The funny thing about it, I wasn't supposed to be a chiropractor.

I was supposed to be a pharmacist like him.

[chuckles] - Wow.

Okay.

- I never knew that.

- Y'all never knew this?

- I never knew that.

- I was actually supposed to be a pharmacist.

Hey, I didn't know.

It ain't something you just kind of bring up, like, "Hey, I was supposed to be a pharmacist."

You right, I have been over there.

So basically when I got to my senior year, when I got to my senior in high school, basically I started going around different people and they was saying like, "Yeah, you're good at science, "you're good at math and everything like that.

Probably need to be a pharmacist."

Never seen a pharmacist.

Never met one, never did anything.

I just kind of went by what everybody said, so I went in and majored in one.

I went to Jackson State my freshman year.

Went there, did the first couple of semesters there, then got to my second semester, and then I started seeing like athletic trainers and physical therapists and stuff and everything like that, started seeing what they was doing.

I was sitting there, like I said, "Hey, I think I actually wanna do that."

So then I flipped and went to physical therapy.

Got to physical therapy, transferred from Jackson State, ended up going to UT-Chatt in Chattanooga, Tennessee.

Got in there, I got about three semesters in, and then got into it with one of my then professors at the time.

Kind of got into it with him a little bit, and then- - Just a verbal debate.

- Yeah, okay.

We're gonna say verbal debate.

We're gonna say verbal debate on it.

Then he kind of basically told me I wasn't gonna be a doctor.

And I looked at him and I was like, "Oh, so why won't I be a doctor?"

He said, "Well, look at your grades.

You ain't doing anything, 'cause you got like..." At the time I had two C's, I had two C's, everything else was A's and B's.

So I was looking at him, I was like, that doesn't determine if it's gonna make you a doctor or not or anything like that.

And he was like, "Okay, well, well, well, "well, you need to figure something out.

You need to figure something out."

So then I ended up getting an internship.

Got an internship working for a physical therapist that summer before I was getting ready to graduate.

Did it for those, it was about almost three months.

After those three months, I ain't even gonna say, even I made it through the whole entire three months before I made my decision I wasn't doing it no more.

[panelists laughing] I was about halfway through it.

I was in there and I looked at myself, and I said, "I can't do this for another 20, 30 something years.

I can't do this."

'Cause I was like, I'm over here telling somebody, "Kick your leg, kick your leg.

Stretch.

Move this, move that."

It just, it wasn't enough.

It wasn't enough.

- Not too much on wifey, now.

- I'm just saying, I can't...

Mind you, I am married to one.

I love her to death.

I am married to a physical therapist, but- - But it wasn't for you.

- It just wasn't for me.

So then I end up leaving one particular afternoon from it, went down the street, went to this place called Viva Love Chiropractic.

Didn't know what the heck it was.

I just went in there and I said, "Well, it looks like it's a chiropractor.

I'ma go ahead and talk to them."

Went in there, I said, "Well, do you mind if I shadow you for a couple hours or anything like that?"

He said, "Yeah, yeah.

It's fine."

There was a dude that came in there with a cane, barely walking.

- Was it a Kappa cane?

- Nah, he ain't have no Kappa cane.

- We're not starting that.

We're not gonna start that right now.

We're not gonna start that.

- Nupes in the house.

- So he came in there, he had a cane, and then was barely walking, bent over, everything like that.

Got adjusted, walked right back out.

I was, I said, "He walked out.

He ain't got no cane or nothing."

Another woman comes in, has a walker, barely walking.

Gets adjusted, walks out.

There's no walker, anything.

Has her daughter with her and all that.

I was like, I just seen this man.

I was like, "Hold on.

This man got magic hands.

What's going on?"

So then I went over there, talked to him.

He was like, "Yeah, you might wanna go check out this school called Life University in Marietta, down in Atlanta area."

I was like, "Oh, okay, cool."

He said, "They give you a free weekend, pay for your hotel, pay for all this stuff."

I ain't gonna lie, that sucked me in.

- That's it.

- After that, I was like, that was it.

That was history.

After that, I've been a chiropractor ever since.

- You know, the most important thing about hearing all y'all's stories is that none of y'all even knew that you wanted to be in healthcare at first.

Like, it was different life circumstances, different things that you tried, professors, or, you know, donating a kidney to your loved one that made you got into the profession that you're in now.

That's just amazing to hear.

But even with that, I wanna talk about more about just breaking the generational cycle of, you know, especially from the black father's perspective of, you know, the health, like not understanding the information, or being educated, or having the wealth of knowledge of taking care of yourself.

So, Ryan, can you speak more about just breaking the cycle of generational health, please.

- Well, breaking the cycle, we have to understand, is some ritualistic things that we actually do may actually be helpful in gathering us, but they may not be helpful in actually longevity of, as far as life.

Even culturally as black Americans, African-Americans, we grew up not having so much, our ancestors as well, so we shared and gave with food, and, you know, we did as much as we could with the little bit that we had, but a lot of these things that we actually loved, enjoyed, and grew to actually continue to build up were possibly some of our downfalls.

So I believe like understanding how food not only is a sacred, you know, gathering, but we need to understand what food is actually doing to us and break some of those regimens, you know, and, you know, kind of not be so heavy-handed with sugars and salt.

- You know, we love to eat.

- We do, we do.

And, I mean, everything can be, you know, with respect to that thing that we actually do, like Thanksgiving and these gatherings are traditional.

- Just had Easter.

- But we need to do things within moderation.

You know, I'm not saying that some of these things are wrong, but like, literally, and I'm not putting it back to nobody.

I know firemen that eat soul food every day.

I don't understand the correlation of why you want eat that every day.

But that food is so heavy, you know, and the preparation of it takes so much to make it taste the way that it does.

Typically it's the consistency of trying to do that is trying to chase what your grandmother did, what their great grandmother did, and people just continues to get more heavy, heavy-handed.

- Without even knowing.

- No, they don't, they don't.

- They're going through a routine.

- And breaking some of those regimens and some of those, you know, traditions in the family and starting new traditions.

We can start new ones and actually keep those.

And just being more aware about how our bodies function in these environments, how our body responds to certain foods is some of the information that we need to get out there.

You know, and like you said, going without knowing, like a lot of people don't know in this time, like, you know, 93% of Americans are sitting.

You know, they're indoors, you know, 80% of the waking day, so that changes... - Back in the day, we would go outside.

- It changes our perception with nature.

- Play curb ball.

- Correct.

- We're not doing that no more.

- Pick up and run.

- Right, so even with that being said about breaking generational health, talk about how you're changing the mindset of even people in your family, people in your community, even as a black father, how you change the mindset of, you know, why is it important to go see a chiropractor.

- Basically more of you have to be an example, because majority of the time, even with my daughter, in general, her, she watches me.

So I get up, I do pushups.

She knows about pushups.

She ain't nothing but four.

So she knows about that.

She knows about stretching, she knows about all that, 'cause she sees me doing it.

So with me actually physically doing it and everything like that, and me, honestly I didn't learn about all that until I started like playing sports.

So when I started playing sports, I was doing like tee-ball and everything like that, and we wasn't doing no stretching like that.

It wasn't until I got to basketball, football, and stuff and everything like that, and that was about the age about almost 8, 9, or 10.

Her, if I'm getting her early at the age of four, I'm already breaking something.

- It's a different conditioning.

- And like you said, based on what they see is what they're gonna do, so you're leading by showing it, by doing it.

- Exactly.

- By being the head of the household.

They're watching you do it, they're picking it up.

Even the wife, I'm sure, seeing you do it.

"All right, well, I gotta fix something, do something different."

It's a trickle effect.

- That's all it is.

- And as you do it, and even telling, like you said, telling your family and friends and things, make sure y'all go get your checkup, your annual checkup.

Those are very important.

You can find out a lot about yourself from that.

Then from that, "All right, my blood pressure high "or my blood sugar's high.

"I might need to get with Zuber so he can meal prep for me the best possible way or whatever."

"Oh, I have issues, back pain, leg pain."

He's coming... - He'll probably get on people about posture and everything like that.

- He saved me before.

I had an issue with my sciatic nerve.

You know, as a pharmacist, first thing I'm gonna do is what?

Take some medicine.

- Take some medicine.

- I'm taking medication just to cover the pain at that particular time, but now I know I need to get it fixed.

He said, "Hey, uh uh.

I'm gonna pull up to your house, pop it back in place."

Before you know it, I was back hooping.

- I think, you know, something important that you just said.

You're utilizing your group, your community.

- Your network.

Yeah.

- Like nutritionist, chiropractor for your back, using your network.

So even telling your friends, your community, that, "Hey, I got a network of people that you can go to for a specific issue or concern with your health."

But you also said something about medication.

So as a therapist, I used to work with psychiatric patients, and medication was one of the things they just did not want to take, because they felt like it made 'em feel less normal.

So talk about the misconceptions of medication.

- Well... - And the importance of taking medication as well.

- Of course, you know, well, medications.

So if it's psych, then 9 times out of 10 they're gonna be, you know, you're going to have to take those medications, whereas some of the other health issues, such as, like, say, diabetes, hypertension, some of those things you can actually alter or change by your first medication, which is food.

That plays a huge part in us, like healthwise, if we're eating right and doing the right things, exercising, all of that, you can come off some of those medications, or you won't need them.

But let's say you don't, you end up on these medications.

For black men in particular, they definitely don't wanna take blood pressure medications and things because we know why.

Well, the thing about it, hypertension alone, if it's up too high, it's gonna cause vascular issues, which is gonna lead to erectile dysfunction.

So either way- - You gotta do something.

- You need to do something.

If you gotta take the medication, I mean, if that's the cause an issue with, you know, ED or or libido, there's medications to treat that.

Also, there's other medication to switch to.

And as far as mental health, how it makes them feel, well, you know, you have schizophrenic or bipolar patients who discuss the issues with taking the medication.

Well, first off, when they begin, the body has to get used to it, and then once they get used to it, it becomes normal, they actually could live normal lives.

Like you see it all the time, and you can see a lot of times where people act out.

You know, they'll be like, "Oh they're in a manic stage."

And what happened?

They stopped taking the medication.

- They stopped taking the medication.

That's right.

- I think what has changed in the last few years, and we can go to actually the data to look at it, a lot of the approach is based off society and what's accepted has changed.

It's changed how we prescribe medication.

Forty percent of children are on SSRIs.

That never happened in our generation.

- Right.

Right.

- It never happened.

Or, you know, like you said with food as being one of your medicines, there's a dopamine, you know, reaction that actually happens where you get happy.

A lot of these kids are feeling sluggish or only get excited about food because of their weight, because of their societal values, because they're sitting in front of that video game all day.

- Bingo.

- Right.

- Like I said again, and then there's so many things around them that's going on that they don't know.

We control our thermostats, so we don't live in a thermoneutral swing world anymore because unless we're trying to change it.

It affects their times with temperature.

They don't wanna go outside now because they're always in a 70 degree... Like, they don't wanna go outside.

- Right.

They used to it.

- You know, so that's what they're used to.

You know, we are subjected to so many low-stress triggers, when in our generation we was subjected to high-stress triggers and still had to be able to deal with them.

I bet you better not go to school and lose the key.

- Exactly.

- You know.

- Something you just said there.

The way we saw things, like, you know, it would be considered traumatic for children now.

- Correct.

- But that was our norm.

- That's what we was used to, 'cause that's what our mom and dad's are used to.

- Right.

- Exactly.

- But us knowing different now since we're older, we're thinking like, "Okay, we don't wanna do what mom and daddy did to us," 'cause we thinking like, "Oh, it could be more traumatic for my child."

But in a way we're kind of a little, I'm not gonna say entirely, a little bit kind of hindering them than what we are actually improving in them.

- Even with subjecting them to certain things, right?

Like we had to dress out for PE.

- That's right.

- Right.

- They're not forcing them to do it.

They don't feel, because now it's a personal interest in how I feel about myself.

If I don't feel comfortable, you know?

So I think sometimes the parents need to get more involved.

If you know your child isn't feeling comfortable with the way they look, now we have other things to address.

And I don't believe, not knocking anyone's profession or diagnosis, medication shouldn't be the first thing.

- Should not.

- Should not be the first thing.

- It should not.

I, as a pharmacist, yes, I'm saying that.

I agree, it definitely should not be first thing.

- Yeah, majority of the time, if you just get up and you just move in general.

Like, it's even with me, like when my daughter's having a moment, anything like that, I tell her, "Hey, let's get up.

Let's walk."

We'll get up.

We'll go walk around, we'll go outside.

We'll do something, anything like that.

We'll play out there for a little second, then we'll come back in.

It's like, "You feel better?"

She's like, "Yeah, I feel better."

It's like, "All right."

- Walking is 73% of functionality, you know?

And like I said, Americans are not, a lot of 'em are working at home, especially since COVID.

- Yeah, so working remote, working virtually.

- Everyone's working remote.

They're sitting so much, you know, so there's so many different things that we need to address in society, because I believe like even the access to certain things has changed our relationship with how we are prescribed, how our postures are, and how we eat.

Like you remember when we were younger, you couldn't go in the library with candy.

- No, you couldn't.

- There are now bars in the library, so we can't blame everybody, it's society subjecting us to certain things now, so.

- So what's important, there was something that you said, even going outside, telling your daughter to go and walk.

This is the simplest thing, is just to move.

Tony, can you talk more about like what are you showing your daughters in terms of health, and things that you weren't even aware of at their age.

- Well, no, definitely at their age I was not aware.

We ate ramen noodles for breakfast, lunch, and dinner.

But that's the thing, you know, not blaming anyone, but of course my parents weren't as informed as I am.

So there's things that I'm able to do in my household.

Like, okay, yeah, you may like some junk food.

I understand that, but no, we're gonna get our vegetables, our fruits in first and foremost.

Yeah, I'll let you eat some Takis every blue moon.

These kids love that trash, trash.

But yeah, so like I said, leading inside the house, making sure sometimes I'll go get the groceries instead of the wife going to get the groceries, and she'll gimme her list, I get her things, and, you know, get some of the other things as well.

- So watching your daughter see you go get the groceries, and not as just the woman doing it, but the man can also move and do it.

- But also now we can interact with being in the house with our children and having the opportunity to do so, start cooking with them, you know?

They want to do what we are doing.

Especially for us that have daughters.

Like my little girl wants to do... We the first boyfriends, like, so like.

- That's true.

- We're the first boyfriends.

And so you can turn these things and these situations into fun, you know, environments, to where, like, my daughter loves to prep the table.

She loves to prep the vegetables.

She loves to, "What we cooking today?"

And I get the chair out.

I make it a date.

But also she's seeing how we're eating, how you can make certain things that she actually likes fun and interesting, you know, and then that way you can slide certain things in, you know?

- He's a walking cheat code, 'cause he's prepping- - That's true.

- Good food for us all day, every day anyway.

- That's true.

- And that's what I believe.

I believe meal prep shouldn't be bland.

I believe that you can take the opportunity to enjoy certain foods.

We just, you know, if certain foods that you have been introduced to since you've been little, it's just let's try to make it a little different.

Most people think about eating healthy, like everything's gonna taste like frozen broccoli pops.

- Exactly.

Organic food or whatever.

- Vegan food... - No, it does not have to be like that.

You know, you just have to take time to understand like first you're an individual.

What Fred can do or what Tony can do, sometimes maybe I can't do.

Our bodies respond to food completely different.

- That's true.

- So I tell people, monitor your children.

See what they like, see what they don't like.

See what you can introduce that is similar.

Certain foods have, you know, they mirror other foods, so you can try to start to mirror certain things in to give them a variety.

But you gotta watch 'em.

You know, how we watch them as infants is how we should watch them as they're growing up.

- That's true.

That's true.

- You know, and then also, we are always leading the example.

I tell people all the time, if you not 100% of doing what you're supposed to be doing, your child feel like they don't need to be 100% doing what they're supposed to be doing, so you have to... - They're always watching.

- You need to give them the best version of you, especially when their eyes are on you.

- And honestly, as fathers, the best ability is availability.

- That's true.

- If we are not there healthy and able to do anything, then it's pointless.

- Yeah, my grandma used to always say that.

She said, "I know y'all need to be tended to, "but if I'm not 100%, "I can't give y'all the best version of me, "and I can't be upset when y'all don't do what you're supposed to do."

- Hey, fellas, this is great.

Fred, just talk real quick about what do you do in terms of, I know you talked about you telling your daughter to get outside and walk, but tell us some of the things that you do as a father and what you wanna show your daughter in terms of health, and then even talking about like your posture and your back and things like that.

- Fix my posture.

- Before he gets on me.

- Let's straighten up.

- My thing is like I usually tell people.

I was like, look, your posture comes from like if you know you got a desk job, you know doggone well that you need to get up, and 9 times outta 10 you gonna start hollering about either my hip is hurting, my legs is hurting, anything like that, mainly because you're not moving.

So if you know you gonna be at your job, and you know it's from nine to five, and you're sitting there and you're not doing anything like that, stretching or anything like that, of course you're gonna bring pain upon you.

But also what you're gonna bring with you is bad posture, breathing problems.

You gonna also have other things like muscle core weakness in general, because that's the main problem that a majority of all in the United States are having.

We have core issues that, because we're doing a lot of sitting, we're not moving.

So with her, what I do with her in general, we put her in dance.

So with her, she does a lot of dancing.

I put on "Moana", I put on any of them Disney movies, anything.

She is dancing her butt off, like... - It's cardio.

- It's cardio.

It's cardio.

She's doing anything like that.

We just bought her a bike.

She's outside wanting to ride the bike.

I'm just making sure she's moving.

I just gotta make sure she's doing some type of movement, 'cause the moment she stops moving, then we're gonna start having issues.

That's when we're gonna start talking about weight gain, and we're gonna start talking about obesity in childhood and all that stuff and everything.

That's what I don't want for her to deal with, 'cause I'm not gonna lie, I had obesity problems when I was a child.

- Me too.

- But my dad was the reason why I got up, 'cause he saw me playing video games all the time.

I was all up on the Dreamcast.

I was all on the PlayStation.

I was on all that.

- So you knew that, and you were like, "Oh, I'm not about to let my daughter..." - I ain't gonna put that in her.

- Yeah, that's true.

That's true.

- So when I figured that out right there, I was like, "Yeah, we're gonna go out here and do this.

We're gonna nip this in the bud now."

- And we're not saying it's easy, because let's be honest, my little girl can get whatever she want.

- Weak, weak.

We're weak.

- It's a process of that, you know?

And we're not saying it's gonna happen overnight, you know, 'cause kids are gonna wanna be kids, but you have to monitor, you have to monitor, you know?

Because at least in the house, like you said, with availability, at least in the house, 'cause I don't know what she's doing at school, you know?

They have those snack bars and different things.

- But you can control what you control.

- Correct, correct.

- Fellas, this is great.

This is a great conversation.

This definitely needs to be a part two conversation, but I definitely wanna thank y'all for being here, giving some advice to fathers, giving some advice to what you do in the household and what you do with your daughters.

Again, I don't know if y'all know, I have a daughter of my own.

She's a year and a half, so just learning, And have twins coming, I don't know what the gender is.

Yeah, having twins coming.

So I'm just learning from you all and taking the advice.

- Yeah, you're wrapped around the fence.

- You tell me.

- That's a wrap on this powerful conversation about breaking the cycle and reclaiming our health as fathers.

A big thank you to Dr. Tony Robinson, Dr. Fred Peete, and Ryan Zuber for sharing your insight and passion.

Let's keep the conversation and the transformation going.

See you next time on Fatherhood.

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